Is ORMTA reverting to a Christian organization?

  • Sunday, July 24, 2016 1:44 PM
    Message # 4153368
    Deleted user

    At the 2016 Convention in Chatham, a Christian grace was said before the Gala dinner and the Awards luncheon. At both tables where I sat, a majority of members were visibly upset. There are many examples of non-religious moments of thanks on the internet, and I suggest we use something like this in future. Any mention of God, Lord, or Jesus automatically excludes those whose views on religion are different, and in this day and age it is offensive. How about something like:

    For what we are about to receive 
    let us be truly thankful 
    …to those who planted the crops 
    …to those who cultivated the fields 
    …to those who gathered the harvest. 

    For what we are about to receive 
    let us be truly thankful 
    to those who prepared it and those who served it. 

    In this festivity let us remember too 
    those who have no festivity 
    those who cannot share this plenty 
    those whose lives are more affected than our own 
    by war, oppression and exploitation 
    those who are hungry, sick and cold 

    In sharing in this meal 
    let us be truly thankful 
    for the good things we have 
    for the warm hospitality  
    and for this good company.



  • Saturday, September 10, 2016 10:54 AM
    Reply # 4243253 on 4153368

    Somewhat lengthy and unnecessary, I would say.  I would hope that the final paragraph would be acceptable by all.

     It is unfortunate that a simple grace is found "offensive".

  • Sunday, September 11, 2016 10:28 AM
    Reply # 4244419 on 4153368
    Deleted user

    Maybe "offensive" is too strong of a word, but it is certainly exclusionary when one is asked to do something "in Jesus' name". I agree that this grace is too long, and that the last verse would do just fine.

  • Tuesday, October 04, 2016 10:28 AM
    Reply # 4289091 on 4153368
    Deleted user

    I have no problem with a grace being said before a meal. The problem I have is it being said to a specific god, and "in Jesus' name". To say that the majority of us could well be Christian anyway completely misses the point. ORMTA has worked very hard to include all diversities, and has come a long way from the past when so many music teachers were nuns, and Christianity infused almost everything we did. When I was President, we stopped saying a specifically Christian grace, and that idea was followed until this year. That is why I asked if we were "reverting", which I think would be a step back. I might add that there was no show of disapproval of anyone at our table. I sat at the table with the adjudicators, and after the grace was said, there was a lively and interesting discussion about religion being brought to a non-religious activity such as the teaching of music.




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